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Dear Spoken36. Thank you for this passage. You placed it into a wrong place. User_talk: is where *others* write to you.

So at your discriminant move this info either into User:Spoken36 or (possibly better) somewhere in Grammar: or Theology: namespace. Also we should suggest where to add links to your article from other parts of the site, for the readers to see your article. If you doubt where to add links, ask me. --Victor Porton (talk) 18:19, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Dear Deric, I would put your message into our blog, but the blog engine is currently broken. I am a programmer but I have no free time yet to fix it. (I work not only on this project.) I am unsure where to put your passage. It is not enough great to link from such pages as Grammar:Tutorial. You may browse the site and think where to put the link. Don't put the link where you are not sure the users would like to see it. Also read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial/Formatting about how to write article texts.


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The ancient Hebrew language is itself very good evidence that the notion of vowels is a bogus idea as applied to languages that predate the modern languages. All of the common European languages for example postdate the creation of vowels (by Masoretes less than 1500 years ago) as a separate group of phonology in contrast to the consonants. Therefore, our ingrained habit is to perceive vowels and consonants as necessary components of language. But that perception is caused by the development of the languages in a modern vowel/consonant paradigm.

In reality, what we perceive as vowels is simply the resonant sound that occurs when the mouth changes shape moving from one "consonant" sound to the next. In scripture the lip and tongue are referred to as the makers of language. These are some of the surfaces of the mouth that are used to make unique, repeatable sounds for communication. However there is no sound regardless of how we shape our mouths unless we generate some humming of the vocal folds for resonance and fricative force. If "consonant" sounds are made transitioning directly between the mouth shapes required by those "consonant" sounds, specific "vowel" sounds will consistently occur between them as a passive part of the speech process. Accuracy and consistency are aided by speed of execution. If you enunciate a Hebrew word fast enough, the question of what vowels to use disappears. Note that Moses cited an abnormal slowness of speech as an impediment to his communication capabilities.

The development of languages by the corruption of an original language is shown to have occurred at the Shinar/Tower-of-Babel incident. Perhaps a general slowing of the lingual skills was a part of this. Slipping extra letters into words would seem to be a bad practice, especially if the language is based on a logical construction. One can see this looking at Strong's Concordance. There we see some very strange representations of phonological application. ברא is rendered "baw-raw'". קוה is presented as "kaw-vaw'". How does one represent the sound of an h, repeatedly, with w? Evidently Moses forgot to lace most of his words with waw-s that he was never-the-less pronouncing? No. Probably not. When we slowly pronounce words we leave open opportunity to corrupt the word with invisible "consonants" disguised as "vowels". Long O-s, for instance, cannot happen without a "w" to finish them off. It's a sleight of hand. A deception. It's not accurate, and it's not honest.

Vowels are an important part of the poorly designed and terribly inconsistent accident that is the English language, but it's a bad idea to engineer them into the language in which God chose to reveal Himself to us. It appears the Masoretes, thousands of years after Babel and thousands of years after Moses, were doing what they had to in an effort to stop changing their hopelessly morphed oral traditions.