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User:Spoken36

2017-12-20T15:37:15Z

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The ancient Hebrew language is itself very good evidence that the notion of vowels is a bogus idea as applied to languages that predate the modern languages. All of the common European languages for example postdate the creation of vowels (by Masoretes less than 1500 years ago) as a separate group of phonology in contrast to the consonants. Therefore, our ingrained habit is to perceive vowels and consonants as necessary components of language. But that perception is caused by the development of the languages in a modern vowel/consonant paradigm.

In reality, what we perceive as vowels is simply the resonant sound that occurs when the mouth changes shape moving from one "consonant" sound to the next. In scripture the lip and tongue are referred to as the makers of language. These are some of the surfaces of the mouth that are used to make unique, repeatable sounds for communication. However there is no sound regardless of how we shape our mouths unless we generate some humming of the vocal folds for resonance and fricative force. If "consonant" sounds are made transitioning directly between the mouth shapes required by those "consonant" sounds, specific "vowel" sounds will consistently occur between them as a passive part of the speech process. Accuracy and consistency are aided by speed of execution. If you enunciate a Hebrew word fast enough, the question of what vowels to use disappears. Note that Moses cited an abnormal slowness of speech as an impediment to his communication capabilities.

The development of languages by the corruption of an original language is shown to have occurred at the Shinar/Tower-of-Babel incident. Perhaps a general slowing of the lingual skills was a part of this. Slipping extra letters into words would seem to be a bad practice, especially if the language is based on a logical construction. One can see this looking at Strong's Concordance. There we see some very strange representations of phonological application. ברא is rendered "baw-raw'". קוה is presented as "kaw-vaw'". Comparing the two it is clear that the introduced "vowels" have taken over, and the original letters have very little to do with the suggested pronunciation. Not a single letter is reproduced in the original Hebrew, yet they are represented in English as overwhelmingly similar, the correlation being 2/3. When we slowly pronounce words we leave open opportunity to corrupt the word with invisible "consonants" disguised as "vowels". Long O-s, for instance, cannot happen without a "w" to finish them off. It's a sleight of hand. A deception. It's not accurate, and it's not honest.

This is not a case of pedantically insisting that we pronounce Hebrew exactly as Moses did. Evidently even he was not the best at reproducing pronunciation in his day, as he attested for our benefit. Rather, we only need care to be consistent. The letters are symbols which utterly lose their effectiveness when they become variable(s). Indeed, the logical essence of phonological letters is consistent repeat-ability. Adding to, and taking away from the original text is forbidden in the text itself. It obfuscates the logic of the text, yet it was done; ostensibly to accommodate the pronunciation preferences of a group of people who had the hubris to assume improvement of the original text.

Through the process of time, the confusion of language has continued. We are expected by experts to accept that some letters are silent, different letters can have the same sounds, and same letters can have different sounds. So the experts are insisting that we embrace the confusion, as if that is the path to understanding. It appears that venerating "the Sages" is paramount, and ancestor worship trumps rightly dividing the word of God. To the experts, that is.

Vowels are an important part of the poorly designed and terribly inconsistent accident that is the English language, but it's a bad idea to engineer them into the language by which God chose to reveal Himself to us. It appears the Masoretes, thousands of years after Babel and thousands of years after Moses, were doing what they had to in an effort to stop changing their hopelessly morphed oral traditions. Why should we be slaves to their constraints when our motives are completely different?

User talk:Victor Porton

2017-12-19T19:29:39Z

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Mr. Porton,

Am I to use this window to contact you? I have some questions and I am just starting to learn how to translate. I have only studied this for two days now. May I ask you some questions? I hope I am not irritating you.

:"Yes" to all your questions. Please ask. --[[User:Victor Porton|Victor Porton]] ([[User talk:Victor Porton|talk]]) 18:09, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

-Deric

== I'm sorry for posting my view in the incorrect place. I am not particularly computer savvy and have never created a link in my life. ==

I would like to know your recommendations for links to my article. Also, i have saved the article where I hope is an acceptable place. I'm sure you will see it for the moderation process.

I cannot find the grammar or theology places that you suggested. This is of course due to my poor site navigation skills. I suspect my personal logic system tends to be unique, though usually functional. Also I think we have different English language foundations and that results in some ambiguity for me.

The Without Vowels Project is a great idea which I have coincidentally taken it upon myself to delve into for several years. The One Who created the infinitely humbling DNA language is at the foundation of Scripture, and I therefore believe engaging the understanding of Scripture is the richest of endeavors. To understand it we have to change how we think, and understanding it changes how we think. That would be akin to pulling ourselves up by our own bootstraps if the Creator Himself were not involved.

User talk:Spoken36

2017-12-18T21:19:44Z

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Exegesis:Genesis 1:3

2017-12-18T17:39:23Z

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===Translation of [[Tanakh:Genesis_1:3|Genesis 1:3]]===

1. God said "(let) it will be light" and light appeared.

2. God said my Jah (is) light and my Jah (is) light.

===Comments===

1. It is unlikely that light (electromagnetic waves) did not exist before [[Tanakh:Genesis 1:3|Genesis 1:3]]. After all electromagnetic forces keep atoms of the Earth from gravitational collapsing.

So it is fit this explanation: The surface of the Earth was dark according to [[Exegesis:Genesis 1:2|Genesis 1:2]]. And saying "light appeared" means that it became lighter on the surface of the Earth.

2. Christ calls himself "light of the World": (Jn. 8:12) “... Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world...”” and (Jn. 9:5) “While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

Jah may mean Christ in this context. It is said that Christ is light (that is electromagnetic radiation). See [http://endofgospel.org/docs/god-as-civilization.html this article] by [[User:Victor Porton|Victor Porton]] for more info about Christ being electromagnetic waves.

However, if "the heavens and the earth" are a merism and the Lord is telling us how he created everything, as He insists in Exodus 20: "for in six days I made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and all that is in them...", then there is no "planet Earth" yet and when the Creator said ,"יהי אור" He was in fact calling the weak and strong nuclear forces, and electromagnetism into being. If this is the beginning, then this is when that had to happen.

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Exegesis:Genesis 1:1

2017-12-18T16:56:32Z

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===Translation of [[Tanakh:Genesis_1:1|Genesis 1:1]]===

In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.

===Comments===

Some people believe that here it is told about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang Big Bang] and formation of stars and planets before the biblical story of creation begins. Some people think God created Earth literally on the first day of creation (so called "creation from nothing").

However, assuming that "planet Earth" is here referred to does not logically follow, being rather a NASA view than a Biblical view, and may be an artifact of chronological snobbery, as C.S. Lewis might have called it. The statement: "the heavens and the earth" are likely a merism, which is a common device used in many languages, to include Biblical Hebrew. This view is reinforced in verse ten regarding the third day where the Creator names the dry land eretz. In the Scriptures eretz refers to habitable land, and not bodies of water which cover nearly 75% of the globe.

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